Kırgız Kazak Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Seydeddin i Emirü'l müminin raznıy, eta aşipka pres napisana sverhu adnoy iz nizkih ? İli fufli, ploha kopya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kırgız Kazak Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 39 минут назад, Kazakhan сказал: Seydeddin i Emirü'l müminin raznıy, eta aşipka pres napisana sverhu adnoy iz nizkih ? İli fufli, ploha kopya. Drugoy ekzempler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcoins Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Повторю ответ Выглядят как фуфло. Нужны более качественные изображения и вес. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kırgız Kazak Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 Spasiba Üstad, patom nedele u menye fse. Tagda kaniyaşna ves i mm atpravlayu. Yişo raz spasiba balşaya Üstad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kırgız Kazak Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 1. 21.5X21.4 mm, 2.839 gr. 2. 20.5X20 mm, 2.615 gr. fse dirhemi srebro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kırgız Kazak Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Matthias Naue My main argument for a fake coin ist he imprint the die left on the flan (as I already mentioned). To make it clear I marked your picture: 1) the ribbon of perls, a double trefoil (see Balog, Ayyubids, p. 126) usually can be seen on the coin without any interruption – beside the fringe of the flan. 2) none of the dirhams from this type I’ve seen have a blank rim; over that the curb shows where the imprint of the die ends. As we can see on original coins, around the whole engraved field there is a circle of perls/dots. 3) Ayyubid coins where struck from deep cutted dies. Such a flat area isn’t typical – also not the parallel scratches on the surface. 4) If you have a close look you see the differences in the structure of the un-struck parts on the flan. While the surface on the original is smooth these parts on your coin look a bit porous. Since the size and the weight approximately hit the measures from other coins one may argue, this specimen has a used shape. But this may not stem from the over use of a die – otherwise not only the finge of the die should look used and flat. Also parts of the characters should be unclear. Finally long time circulating coins won’t have a used look only on the fringes. To sum up, the technique of production of your coin is different to the original coin you posted: the die couldn’t be complete, the flan has a hatching, a regular die should leave sharper edges on the character. I think it is a reproduction where they copied the engravings of a coin on a die or a mould and struck or cast this piece before working on it to give it a used look and a patina. If it makes sense to copy these coins which have avalue of around 25 $ is not clear to me. https://www.facebook.com/groups/islamiccoins/2376578025920522/?comment_id=2383422335236091¬if_id=1559602785512618¬if_t=group_comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcoins Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Я уже забыл свой пароль в Фейсбуке. Matthias Naue - ассистент профессора Stefana Heidemanna? https://www.aai.uni-hamburg.de/voror/personen/naue.html Я с ним согласен. Китайцы подделывают и более дешевые монеты. Что и как подделывают в Южной Анатолии (Адана) - я не знаю, но эти монеты не оригинальные. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kırgız Kazak Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Mojet bit fse dirhemi srebro. Spasiba balşaya Üstad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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